@Pingu you can't really declare someone "Persona Non Grata" when the person who has the power to do that, wants them to stay there and spy on Poland and Ukraine.
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Alright for your first point you're admitting you're going to continue pushing the Pro-Russian narrative of de-legitimizing Ukraine. Ukrainian government officials have been saying for years to drop "the", and there's tons of articles about that but here's two (Time, WP: https://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/10/01/its-ukraine-not-ukraine-ukrainians-want-you-get-it-right/). It isn't "a wake up call" you're using, it is literally part of the long term efforts of Russia to reduce Ukraine to a region and not a country. I get your intent, but when Ukrainians are telling you that you're getting their country wrong it might be good to listen.
PNG is an international legal status, and is a legal order to get out. It isn't well we have to wait for Putin to let you leave, it's "there's the door don't come back". (Nice write up on https://www.dw.com/en/what-does-it-mean-to-be-declared-persona-non-grata/a-47800884).
Not sure how the UN would help, Russia has a veto on the security council and the UN has not once been effective in these matters. The ambassador from Ukraine to the UN routinely calls out the Russian ambassador to the UN in the general assemblies, so it isn't like this is all below radar. Picking Poland as a place to dump spies isn't just because "they can see Ukraine" from the neighbouring country, there's an entire NATO HQ in Poland (MNC NE in the West of Poland) they would get more from spying on vs just looking back over the border towards Lviv. In the end trying to spur random people to call the UN clutters up legitimate reports based on a news article which is already public knowledge, which just continues a cycle which allows disinformation to thrive. Theres enough of that crap on Twitter.
Well thank you for the info on PNG. But when you said Russia can Veto the UN, what's stopping them from doing every legal trick necessary to prevent PNG? As for how I think they can help, it's because is because they are a human rights organization first. It's where the term Human Rights originally came from to begin with. Veto or no Veto, if you violate the human rights code, the very code they established, you are gone. Period. Human rights was already violated when they stepped on Ukraine, but they can't act unless enough people from all over, tell them that they are in violation of said rights. It's literally up to the people of the world to knock on their doors and tell them "They violated your rules, fucking do something about it."
As for them seeing Ukraine, you're not getting it. Stop thinking like a civilian and start thinking like a strategist. From a tactical angle if you can literally see at least one major city from across the border, it's more than enough to assess any weaknesses that can be exploited. As I said before, it doesn't even require access to internet to even do so. You just need to find the right spot to look from, grab as powerful of a telescope or binoculars as you can get and a CB. You spy, look for anything be it structural or social and tell your buddies "Hey, they still have that one weak spot you can fire a tank shell at." or "Hey I see that one guy they need to lead their soliders. He's this or that way. Shoot him." It's not just Poland though. Every country that surrounds Ukraine, literally has front row seat view to the entire country. Russia has one side. Poland has another and the former soviet countries have the other sides covered.
As for my pronunciation of the country, I'll stop saying it when they turn the tides of the war. Not if, when. Why? Because I find it very, very astonishing that they were not able to fight back now, when they were able to fight back the last time Russia tried to take them. Something's not right and I want to know what it is.
PNG is not a UN policy Russia can veto, its a separate international convention. The UN has human rights sub groups but its primarily just a forum for countries to keep relations when they sever them directly (North Korea as an example). This is the same UN that elected a country committing human rights violations (Saudi Arabia) to chair the human rights council (lost its seat in 2020 finally).
Telling an actual 15 year military veteran with planning experience to "stop thinking like a civilian" is a bit silly, might need a check there. I can 100% guarantee I've done more tactical, operational, and strategic assessments than you. As for looking over the border, unless you believe in flat earth the best you'd see is 40km before the horizon dips (generally 10-20 based on weather), which is why UAV and satellite imagery is used. Direct observation is good to about 3km, much less in an actual urban environment. Again, they'd get more value from watching the NATO HQ.
Discrediting the efforts of the UAF by saying they should try harder is unfortunate, they've held out for a month against a much larger force (defender bonus helps). You make it sound though that Ukraine retook Crimea after 2014, or that there hasn't been protracted conflict in the east since then. That never went away.
Back to the main topic, I didn't see the CP24 article but found another (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/23/poland-expels-russia-diplomats-spies-ukraine/) which indicates that the "diplomat" (spies) were already ejected. Russian response will likely be to to the same to the Polish "diplomats" (spies) in Moscow. Usual tit-for-tat response in these cases.
First off nothing and nowhere states on your profile that you are a veteran, let alone 15 years of experience. Your post, whether you intended it or not, made it seem like you expected me to instantly know you were and it comes off as rude. So forgive me if it seems like I doubt your claim on that one. If it is true, I owe you a huge apology for my ignorance. With that said I also have family in the military. Two Great Grandfathers, both fought in WWII for the Canadian and British Army respectively and out of mutual respect, you're free to doubt me on that one.
Second off when I mentioned "Think Like A Strategist." I wasn't just referring to military. I was referring to all kinds of strategy, from chess playing to god forbid video games.
Third I never said the conflict ended, I said they fought them off. I've seen my fair share of fist fights that have the same mentality of this war and much like them, just because one is fought off, doesn't mean the person who got knocked out, isn't gonna be pissed about it later and boy is Putin pissed. I knew full well this crap was gonna happen again, it was only a question of when.
Fourth, I don't discredit their efforts, however, we live in a world where too many people have gone too soft for their own good. People whom have been coddled and conditioned to believe that they didn't need to fight because the generation before them fought for them. Literally the only people that were smart enough to keep their soldiers tough, were the people who happen to be the world's enemies. North Korea never stopped training their soldiers out of fear that either the South or other soldiers would come knocking on their door. Many terrorist groups from Al Queda to ISIS never stopped training their groups because they think they're dream of a global radical state will come to fruition. And Putin? He was born in 1952. He was burn and literally grew up in the middle of the Cold War. As well as witnessing it end before his eyes. Meaning he saw everything go down including the fall of the Berlin Wall. If anything it's safe to say he's been waiting for a moment like this ever since he was born. If that's the case then there is literally nothing, to make sure it happens. Including but not limited to having spies put up vantage points on the places that border around it. It's very similar to Daniel Plainview's Oil Strategy in There Will Be Blood. If you haven't seen it spoilers. Daniel wanted one piece of land called the Bandy Tract, but the Sunday family lead by a corrupt priest named Eli, refused to sell it to him. So in a clever bit of strategy, almost military like in itself, he bought all the land around it and set the pipes up so that on top of draining the oil from those lands, he got the oil out from under the Bandy Tract. Then when Eli tried to sell the land out of desperation, he told him about what he did to it and killed him. What they are doing is strictly the same thing. Only instead of draining oil, they're draining information. Any kind of information they can see with their eyes and relay. The Telescope and CB is mainly a guess on my part, but the reason why I say those, is because it's the only way you can do it without being traced. You can use satellite imagery, but because of how advanced technology is now, anyone can literally track the source through metadata. You can use drones, but on top of risk getting spotted and shot down, they're hackable. Which means at best, you can trace the signal to it's source and at worst you can literally work the controls and direct it back to it's original pilot. Going back on topic though, I wasn't even trying to insult or discredit the UAF, but imply that there may be spies in the Ukraine. Some in their military too. Not everyone in the Ukraine is loyal to Ukraine. As said before there were Neo Nazis in that country. Safe to say there were Russian Loyalists in there as well. They don't have to do much, just give the Armed Forces wrong instructions.
Fifth, I didn't see the article, I saw it live on TV. There are headlines underneath the main prompt, that come up and cycle every few minutes and that was one of them. That was at the time when they said they "Seeked to expel." Meaning they were still JUST talking about it then. I posted this article to warn people that they may not have gotten them all and that this is the perfect vantage point.
I apologize for the long read, but I felt the need to explain it further.
@Pingu also I don't believe in Flat Earth, but I do believe that land war never changes even if more buildings block said land.
@Pingu While I already said it in private, I'll say it here. I am very sorry for doubting you.
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Pingu
Diplomatic immunity doesn't prevent someone from being removed from the country. They would be declared Persona Non Grata, which revokes that immunity and looms arrest if they don't leave by a certain time. Most countries have known and declared personnel at their embassies who do overt collection, its not new or urgent needing people to go contact the UN. Also "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine" please stop de legitimizing a sovereign nation. "the Ukraine" implies its a region a part of something else (Russian ownership), like "the Donbas Region of Ukraine" (Donestsk Basin, Eastern Ukraine oblasts). And yes, many of the former USSR states are either part of NATO (like Poland), or in a pact with Russia (the CTSO, like Belarus).
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Considering that Russia has pretty much destroyed a lot of the country during it's take over "The Ukraine" sounds appropriate. I use it as a wake up call to alert people of what's coming. If he takes over they may as well change the name back to it. If it sounds inappropriate, I apologize, but if it gets people to get off their asses and fight back, so that no one can say it again, then all the better for it. Notice how all my tags say "Pro-Ukraine" and not "Pro-The-Ukraine"? If they want to stay legit, then they have to realize what's coming if they can't. Those lucky to still be alive should they take over fully will have to get used to calling it "The Ukraine" again.
That being said, the only way you can revoke diplomatic status is to either make the home country revoke it, which Putin will say no and make anyone else in charge of that shit do the same, go to The UN because it's a world issue and they can go literally go over the heads of whoever they want in an emergency situation (It was literally formed to prevent shit like WWII from happening ever again by any means necessary.) or kill the spies. You're not immune if you're dead. However that spells out bad news, because Putin could easily twist it and say, "These horrible Poles killed 45 of our peaceful diplomats and you call me a monster for Ukraine?"
While Poland and the other NATO Parts are loyal to NATO that doesn't mean the focus should entirely be on the Russian pact though. They already found 45 spies that we know of. There is a reason why they called it Russian Intelligence. There could be more that aren't as obvious as the "Diplomats". They are skilled infiltrators. In fact that's why it's so damn clever they picked Poland as a spy spot, because they could literally see Ukraine from there as well as picking a country people least suspect them to be doing anything war related. The Russian pact ones might have them too, but they're too obvious. The fact that they found them in a place they didn't take over, a place that's already had so much bad shit happen to them already that you'd have to be a real serious asshole in order to do anything war related to it. Putin is that serious of an asshole. Had Poland not spot them, they would have been next.